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Old 18th March 2010, 02:42   #1
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Default Brockville & Westport

Hi all,

I'm finally getting a railway room of 14' x 12'. I've been wanting to model the B & W for sometime now. It's a line that still has a lot of mystique around here and captures the imagination in a way that CN doesn't.

Most of my research has come from http://www.railwaybob.com/ with additional material from http://www.railwaychronicles.com/Bro...rtRailway.html and http://cnr-in-ontario.com/Subdivisions/Westport.html

I still have a lot more to do, happily some of that can come under the guise of family outings this summer. Get a railway and brownie points. I do recommend reading Railway Bob's articles, partly so you can follow along with me and partly just because they're just so interesting, even without the local interest. First hand accounts of life on the rails,

There's still a ways to go before construction can start.



My space is the front half upstairs, I need the rest for storage.
I am further along than this, but I still need to wire, insulate, drywall and siding yet. In the mean time planning, buildings to be built, trees to make.

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Old 18th March 2010, 03:19   #2
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I'll break this up in to small managable segments.

The Overall Plan



Scale is 2 squares to the foot

Simply because of space constraints (and this seemed huge compared to the 2 x 8 in the shed) I've got to leave some places out, although Glen Elbe and Fairs have ceased to exist in their own right. Forthton will have to be downgraded to a flag stop

The best maps are in the railway chronicles site.

This area is known as the Frontenac Arch (more info www.fabr.ca) geologically and is 30% lakes, rivers and other water courses and 40% forest. The rest is largely rural. There's dozens of small private sawmills, maple syrup, dairy and arable farms. More about the Arch later.
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Old 18th March 2010, 03:34   #3
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Brockville to Lyn



This was the original track plan of the yard. They squeezed a lot into one small block. I'm going to have to leave out two of the engine house tracks (space), and even so this will take up the first six feet.



The two tracks at the south of the yard can be for the old shoe factory (forget the name, sorry, but it now houses the Brockville Yacht Club).

Leaving town the trestle would be another seven and a half feet (I think I can squeeze 12") followed by a plate bridge over the GTR (Atlas standard 9") and we're at the rock cut. I mentioned the Frontenac Arch earlier. The Trans Canada Pipeline runs just to the north of me and the crew said that this is the toughest rock they had come against all over Canada. Even with modern tools and materials this would be a hard slog. Remember they havn't even got to Lyn yet. Imagine a quarter mile long and 50 feet deep a hundred and thirty years ago. Rock hard. Sorry. I spotted it on the satelite view on google maps, zoom out for a longer view, and it goes... zoom in and, Ohhh, that's the path I take the dog down through the woods. Now to get in between the highway and the CN line to find the cut. The properties up for sale so it shouldn't be a problem. Take the dog for a walk and bring the camera. Or take the camera for a walk and bring the dog.

Lyn was where the gravel ballast came from (Lyn pit is where I sail my RC yacht), so there will be a spur here.
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Old 18th March 2010, 03:55   #4
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Lyn to Athens

Still single line here to Athens. Near Forthton will be Gibbons Sugar Shack. I've yet to hear back, but I've asked for some photos from the twenties. They'll have some; maple syrup is a long term commitment. It takes 50 years before a tree can produce. At Athens there is a very distinctive church, other than that it's little more than a crossroads. I plan on having the section gang headquartered here as well as a lumber yard and stockpen / slaughter house. I'm lucky that I have pictures of Lyn and Athens stations. Thank you Railway Bob. At Athens will be the beginning of dual lines to Forfar.

Athens to Delta

There was a how to in MR last April? possibly? to make a handcar shed. It looked something like this.



The original colours were red on top, green below, (but what shade. More questions). They're still visible in the picture. If Athens is a crossroads, Soperton is a T junction on the back roads. Behind Soperton I'll put a small sawmill.

Delta still has the mill http://www.deltamill.org/. Plus I plan of having a tannery here (it goes with the shoe factory and the slaughter house.) Delta sits on an isthmus between Upper Beverly Lake and Lower Beverly Lake, so a bit of a squeeze.
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Old 18th March 2010, 04:12   #5
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Delta to Forfar

We're still dual track leaving Delta and on to Forfar. Forfar had the connection with the Canadian Northern Toronto - Ottawa mainline. This is where one line can disappear to staging below Westport. I'll need scenery blocks to disguise it.

Forfar to Westport

If anyone is familiar with the Big Book of Model Railroad Track Plans, number 5 is easy on the eye for Westport. Westport is part of the Rideau Canal system and has a dock. The last time I was there a cruise boat came in. Sidecar Bob will be familiar with the Kawartha Voyageur, It's from his neck of the woods.

Removable section

This will connect up with the CPR loopline and allow for a bit of roundy round as well as point to point. If I do it right, its also a convenient size to take to shows, although I havn't decided on a trackplan for this yet.
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Old 18th March 2010, 04:52   #6
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Questions

Lots of them.

Does anyone know where to get 47' passenger cars?
Would there have been a first class compartment? Brockville at the time was a very affluent neighboorhood. More millionaires per capita than any where else in Canada.
What colour was their livery?
I'll have lots of DCC questions later.
As well as asking advice on scratch building. Most of the buildings, Stations, Athens church, Delta Mill etc.
How did they keep the watertanks from freezing? I saw a Northern Water Tower by Campbell Scale Models that shows the legs enclosed, http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/cam/cam376.htm. Did they heat it?
Is anyone brave enough to try this on a computer to see if it will work? All I have is a lot of chicken scratching on paper.

I must admit I am really excited about this project. Photographic updates might be few and far between for a while as it seems my $600 digicam is obsolete (no drivers for windows 7 or Vista) so I'm back to the 35mm. At least until I can ressurect the old 8gb machine. Someones bound to have windows 98.

On decals
Obviously they will have to be custom jobbies. I found this earlier this week. There were some posts recently on this subject, and I think I'll be investing in it. http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/t...TOPIC_ID=23297

Locomotives
This guy
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-28304 looks very much like engines 66 and 67


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Old 2nd August 2011, 02:58   #7
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I too am interested in the B&W. I live in Athens. Any chance we could get together?
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Old 2nd August 2011, 12:11   #8
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Absolutely Fred. I live on Old Red Rd, used to be Chemical Rd until we ganged up on Elizabethtown township and had the name changed to something as little more up-market.

I do have an update too. Hopefully I'll post the pics tomorrow. I've been working on the Westport module and have started ballasting. I did run into a problem with one leg of the wye. #66 ran fine, but #67 derailed every time at the exiting turnout. This has all been fixed now and it all runs smoothly. The pics are on my memory stick, but the stick isn't in my lunch bucket. Having a teenage daughter I can only get on a computer at work.

I've been having a problem with decals. The first lot all the ink bled out when I went to dip them, presumably not enough sealer. The second lot all the ink bled when I sprayed the sealer on. Anybody got some advice on doing decals?
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Old 3rd August 2011, 12:25   #9
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So, after a year and a half of this



The Boss decided it was time to come in out of the cold and do .......and this. To which the correct answer is "yes dear"

Then I could get on to this

.

The left leg is the one that was giving me the problem.



For ballast I bought a 30kg bag of limestone screenings at the Home Despot.



The room itself is far from finished, but here is #67 at Westport still in the Seaboard livery.



This is an IHC water tower kit.



The underlayment is sticky backed pipe insulation called Presto-cel.

By the way Fred, Welcome to AMR.

Cheers

John
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:25   #10
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Well, I've completed the ballasting on this section and have built the platform extensions, and a couple of storage buildings that show up on a photo from 1907.

I'll have some more photo's soon.

In the meantime I've set up a blog here http://johnm-bwnw.blogspot.com/

I hope some of you will drop by from time to time.

Cheers

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